From sc-users-owner Tue Nov 4 05:50:38 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id FAA22386 for sc-users-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:48:50 -0600 (CST) Received: from maelzel.ircam.fr (maelzel.ircam.fr [129.102.1.10]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id FAA22380 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 05:48:29 -0600 (CST) Received: from [129.102.3.57] (mac-perso-tutschku.ircam.fr [129.102.3.57]) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:47:25 +0100 To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: Hans Tutschku <---@---.---> Subject: Powerbook Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Powerbook 3400 200 MHz: Taking the "12 FM with GUI" instrument form Stephen Pope's example patches and moving all sliders to maximum right gives me with SC 1.1b8.7 (30 MB allocated to the application, System 7.6) around 32% of CPU usage. The network (Ethernet with Eudora) is running in background. No idea if this affects SC. Bad news: The sound output of this 3400/200 is much more noisy then the 5300 !!!!!! Hans From sc-users-owner Tue Nov 4 06:22:27 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id GAA19432 for sc-users-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:22:18 -0600 (CST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id GAA19426 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:22:04 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 4 Nov 1997 06:22:04 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 28114 invoked from network); 4 Nov 1997 11:02:21 -0000 Received: from finer.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?194.128.81.130?) (194.128.81.130) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 4 Nov 1997 11:02:21 -0000 X-Sender: finer@mail.easynet.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: finer@easynet.co.uk (Jem Finer) Subject: Cellular automata Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Hello, This simple ca program works until the number of cells/generation and/or the number of generations get beyond the region of about 14 - then it crashes. I can't understand why though I'm sure there's some obvious answer - if anyone can see i'd love to know. Code follows minus gui which is just a graphics rectangle no 1, and a button to call draw and another to call newCa. defaudioin Lin Rin; defaudioout L R; var gens = 10; var cells = 10; var ca; init { } start {caSimple([2 4],cells,gens); --[1,thisFunc].sched; } newCa{caSimple([2 4],10,10);} class caSimple{ arg rules, nocells, generations; var z, newz ; ca = []; z = []; newz = []; z.fill(0,nocells); -- fills list with random 0's and 1's for i=0; i; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 07:25:09 -0600 (CST) Received: by tango.create.ucsb.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA04151; Tue, 4 Nov 97 04:49:47 PST From: stp@create.ucsb.edu (Stephen Travis Pope) Message-Id: <9711041249.AA04151@tango.create.ucsb.edu> Date: Tuesday, 04 Nov 97 5:17:56 am Subject: SuperCollider Symposium, 2/27-3/1/1998 -- DRAFT Schedule To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net, icma@umich.edu Cc: james@clyde.as.utexas.edu, staff@create.ucsb.edu, stp@create.ucsb.edu Fonts: 1732 1 Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Hello all, Here's a draft schedule of the up-coming SuperCollider symposium. Your comments ared invited. We expect to send out the call for papers this month. stp -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Weekend Tutorial and Conference on Synthesis and Sound Processing with SuperCollider 27 February - 1 March, 1998 -- Santa Barbara, California USA Schedule -- DRAFT Friday, Feb 27 10:00 AM - 1:00 PM: Morning Session: Tutorial A An Introduction to and Tour of SuperCollider -- Stephen T. Pope 1:00 - 2:30 PM: Lunch 2:30 PM - 5:30 PM: Afternoon Session: Tutorial B Using SuperCollider to Teach Sound Synthesis -- Stephen T. Pope 7:00 PM: Dinner (Beachside Cafe) 5:30 PM - 1:00 AM: Open Studio Time Saturday, February 28 9:30 AM: Welcome: JoAnn Kuchera-Morin 10:00 AM - 1:00 PM: Morning Session SuperCollider Applications for Synthesis and Processing -- Contributed Papers 1:00 - 2:30 PM: Lunch 2:30 PM - 5:30 PM: Afternoon Session -- Keynote Speech & Panel The Past, Present, and Future of SuperCollider -- James McCartney Panel Discussion: SuperCollider in Context, FutureCollider -- Invited Authors 6:30 PM: Dinner (UCSB Faculty Club) 9:00 PM: Concert (Lotte Lehmann Hall, UCSB) 10:00 PM - 1:00 AM: Open Studio Time Sunday, March 1 10:00 AM - 1:00 PM: Morning Session SuperCollider in Performance -- Contributed Papers 1:00 - 2:30 PM: Lunch 2:30 PM - 5:30 PM: Afternoon Session Composition with SuperCollider -- Contributed Papers 7:00 PM: Dinner, Send-off event (chez STP) 9:00 PM - 1:00 AM: Open Studio Time -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- For more information, check the CREATE Web Site. _ Stephen Travis Pope _ Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology (CREATE) _ Department of Music, Univ. of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) _ stp@create.ucsb.edu, http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/ From sc-users-owner Tue Nov 4 12:28:41 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA21702 for sc-users-outgoing; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:28:01 -0600 (CST) Received: from tango.create.ucsb.edu (create.ucsb.edu [128.111.92.40]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id MAA16466 for ; Tue, 4 Nov 1997 12:26:52 -0600 (CST) Received: by tango.create.ucsb.edu (4.1/SMI-4.1) id AA05882; Tue, 4 Nov 97 09:51:36 PST From: stp@create.ucsb.edu (Stephen Travis Pope) Message-Id: <9711041751.AA05882@tango.create.ucsb.edu> Date: Tuesday, 04 Nov 97 9:01:51 am Subject: Re: Powerbook In-Reply-To: Hans Tutschku 's letter of: 97 Nov 04 To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Fonts: 254 1 Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Compared to Hans's data of 32% for the FM instrument that's example 12 in my book (with all sliders pulled to the far right), I get 70% for a PowerBook 1400cs with a 183 MHz procesor upgrade (12 MB allocated to SC, system 8). I'm disappointed... stp _ Stephen Travis Pope _ Center for Research in Electronic Art Technology (CREATE) _ Department of Music, Univ. of California, Santa Barbara (UCSB) _ stp@create.ucsb.edu, http://www.create.ucsb.edu/~stp/ From sc-users-owner Thu Nov 6 05:20:13 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id FAA23900 for sc-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:18:30 -0600 (CST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id FAA16982 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:18:18 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 05:18:18 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 20760 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 11:19:39 -0000 Received: from finer.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?194.128.81.130?) (194.128.81.130) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 11:19:39 -0000 X-Sender: finer@mail.easynet.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: finer@easynet.co.uk (Jem Finer) Subject: Powerbook continued Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Sorry to harp on about this but postings re Powerbooks beg the new question : Is there a Powerbook that not only runs SC super low on the CPU % ratings BUT also has decent, clean audio output - without this it seems to defeat the object somewhat ? Looking forward to finding the perfect machine, Jem Finer Kentish Town London NW5 finer@easynet.co.uk From sc-users-owner Thu Nov 6 09:58:18 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id JAA16716 for sc-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:57:45 -0600 (CST) Received: from mailhub.dartmouth.edu (mailhub.dartmouth.edu [129.170.16.6]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16702 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 09:57:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU (blitzen.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.4]) by mailhub.dartmouth.edu (8.8.7+DND/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA04585 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:57:05 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <3478661@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 06 Nov 97 10:57:05 EST From: Kevin.P.Parks@Dartmouth.EDU (Kevin P. Parks) Subject: Re: Powerbook continued To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users --- You wrote: Looking forward to finding the perfect machine, --- end of quote --- then don't get a powerbook. You get so much more CPU for your $ if you go desktop. I have a 4 month old PowerComputing PowercenterPro 210. 64 MB ram. Lots o cache and 4 MB video ram. 210MHz 604e. 60+ MHz Bus. 16X CDrom. 5400rpm drive, 17" monitor, etc. Soup to nuts, it cost me $3,000. Little more than a Powerbook 1400. And (sorry to gloat) it absolutly smokes any Powerbook. Not even close. Even a $5000+ 3400 is a slack-assed dog next to my mid-level desktop clone. I am able to do so much more with the desktop Mac than with a powerbook. lots of big crazy beautiful granular patches, etc. If you can live without the portability . . . I plan to lug my computer back to Korea. It will be a drag. But i still don't regret not getting a powerbook. The performance just aint there yet and you pay so much for portabilty and cool factor. I love the 1400. IBM did a nice job on that box. Much nicer than the 5300 which was a lemon, but when i really looked at it hard it was clear that (for what i wanted to do) i need the power and flexibilty of the desktop computer more than i needed the portability. supercollider for palm pilot anyone? hehe cheers, kevin From sc-users-owner Thu Nov 6 11:28:04 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id LAA27144 for sc-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:27:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from easynet.co.uk (kiwi.easynet.co.uk [193.131.248.4]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id LAA27254 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:25:23 -0600 (CST) Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 11:25:23 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 4659 invoked from network); 6 Nov 1997 17:26:18 -0000 Received: from finer.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?194.128.81.130?) (194.128.81.130) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 6 Nov 1997 17:26:18 -0000 X-Sender: finer@mail.easynet.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: finer@easynet.co.uk (Jem Finer) Subject: Desktop impractical situation Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Kevin wrote : >then don't get a powerbook. You get so much more >CPU for your $ if you go desktop. but the problem is much as i love the desktop i sit at now ( except for the dodgy shift key ) it's a bit hard to go out and do gigs with or take on holiday . . . .etc So . . back to trying to powerbooks ! Cheers Jem From sc-users-owner Thu Nov 6 12:11:05 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA26874 for sc-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:10:53 -0600 (CST) Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (clyde.as.utexas.edu [128.83.129.156]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id MAA26868 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:10:33 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.83.176.65] (dial-103-17.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06893; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:13:34 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:22:52 -0700 To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Desktop impractical situation Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users Just a month ago powerbook prices were $1000 higher. (Still rather high compared to desktops.) ClubMac's price list: powerbooks 1400cs 133 16M 1.3G 8X 11.3" dual scan $1949 1400c 133 16M 1.3G 8X 11.3" active mtx $2568 1400c 166 16M 2.0G 8X 11.3" active mtx $2852 3400c 180 16M 1.3G 12X 12.1" active mtx $2997 3400c 200 16M 1.3G 12X 12.1" active mtx $3593 3400c 240 16M 1.3G 12X 12.1" active mtx $4263 desktops: 8600/300 32M, 4G HD, Zip, 24X CD $2449 (wow!) (This is not a plug for ClubMac) --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From sc-users-owner Thu Nov 6 12:13:32 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA26826 for sc-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:13:26 -0600 (CST) Received: from pixar.com (pixar.pixar.com [138.72.10.20]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with ESMTP id MAA32170 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:13:06 -0600 (CST) Received: from cliff.pixar.com (cliff.pixar.com [138.72.10.32]) by pixar.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA09283 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:13:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.72.25.187] by cliff.pixar.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA11386; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:13:06 -0800 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 10:13:04 -0700 To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: Alex Stahl <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Desktop impractical situation Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users >Kevin wrote : >>then don't get a powerbook. You get so much more >>CPU for your $ if you go desktop. > >but the problem is much as i love the desktop i sit at now ( except for the >dodgy shift key ) it's a bit hard to go out and do gigs with or take on >holiday . . . .etc Yes, Having just lugged a 9600 and a 17" monitor to the top of a shaky 3 meter platform for a performance last night, my chiropractic bills will certainly equal the portability premium.... -Alex From sc-users-owner Thu Nov 6 12:25:57 1997 Received: (from majordom@localhost) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) id MAA13816 for sc-users-outgoing; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:25:39 -0600 (CST) Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (clyde.as.utexas.edu [128.83.129.156]) by mail2.realtime.net (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id MAA17132 for ; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:24:52 -0600 (CST) Received: from [128.83.176.65] (dial-103-17.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA06993; Thu, 6 Nov 1997 12:27:53 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 6 Nov 1997 13:37:11 -0700 To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Desktop impractical situation Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users At 1:22 PM -0700 11/6/97, James McCartney wrote: >8600/300 32M, 4G HD, Zip, 24X CD $2449 (wow!) On further inspection it looks like they swapped the prices in the catalog. The above price is probably for the 250Mhz model and the 300Mhz model is $2896. --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sat Nov 08 12:22:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 22860 invoked by uid 201); 8 Nov 1997 12:22:36 -0000 Date: 8 Nov 1997 12:22:36 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: (qmail 16430 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 12:22:22 -0000 Received: from kiwi.easynet.co.uk (HELO easynet.co.uk) (193.131.248.4) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 12:22:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 27414 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 12:23:46 -0000 Received: from finer.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?194.128.81.130?) (194.128.81.130) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 12:23:46 -0000 X-Sender: finer@mail.easynet.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: finer@easynet.co.uk (Jem Finer) Subject: Backward/Bi-directional Buffer Reader Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Is there a way of reading an audio buffer backwards or even better being able to vary the direction ? If not is there any chance of modifying Abufrd - James ! ? Cheers, Jem Finer Kentish Town London NW5 finer@easynet.co.uk From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sat Nov 08 18:11:55 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 13012 invoked by uid 201); 8 Nov 1997 18:11:54 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 17864 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 18:11:42 -0000 Received: from pixar.pixar.com (HELO pixar.com) (138.72.10.20) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 18:11:42 -0000 Received: from cliff.pixar.com (cliff.pixar.com [138.72.10.32]) by pixar.com (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id KAA03161 for ; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:11:12 -0800 (PST) Received: from [138.72.25.187] by cliff.pixar.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA17050; Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:11:08 -0800 X-Sender: alex@cliff.pixar.com Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 10:11:06 -0700 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: Alex Stahl <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Backward/Bi-directional Buffer Reader Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Yes, using negative values for Abufrd's rate variable will result in reverse playback. -1 = normal speed backwards, -0.5 = half-speed reverse, etc. -Alex Stahl alex@pixar.com >Is there a way of reading an audio buffer backwards or even better being >able to vary the direction ? >If not is there any chance of modifying Abufrd - James ! ? > >Cheers, > > >Jem Finer > >Kentish Town >London NW5 >finer@easynet.co.uk From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sat Nov 08 23:33:20 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 23918 invoked by uid 201); 8 Nov 1997 23:33:19 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: (qmail 14134 invoked from network); 8 Nov 1997 23:32:54 -0000 Received: from maelzel.ircam.fr (129.102.1.10) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 8 Nov 1997 23:32:54 -0000 Received: from [129.102.49.102] (ppp-port2.ircam.fr [129.102.49.102]) Date: Sun, 9 Nov 1997 00:32:51 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <199709291010.MAA05021@smtp1.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: Hans Tutschku <---@---.---> Subject: Urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net How can I get Soundin and output thru a Audiomedia III card. Which DAE version, which DigiSystem Init, which Digidesign Sound Driver ? I'm getting always different errors when I'm trying both, soundin and out thru the card. (It works fine if I'm choosing No Audio Input from the Synth menu) SoundDoublebuffer -200 SPBSetDeviceInfor siPlayThruOnOff error: -17 thanks for a very quick answer, Hans From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Mon Nov 10 05:05:17 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 13458 invoked by uid 201); 10 Nov 1997 05:05:16 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 9862 invoked from network); 10 Nov 1997 05:05:04 -0000 Received: from amsterdam.interport.net (199.184.165.9) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 10 Nov 1997 05:05:04 -0000 Received: from [204.180.201.31] (k-taro.port.net [204.180.201.31]) by amsterdam.interport.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA23673 for ; Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:04:59 -0500 (EST) Message-Id: <199711100504.AAA23673@amsterdam.interport.net> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 1997 00:07:20 -0500 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: k-taro@pop.interport.net (k-taro terasaki) X-Sender: k-taro@interport.net (Unverified) Subject: Re: Urgent MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-2022-jp X-Mailer: Eudora-J(1.3.8.5-J13) Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 12:32 AM 11/9/97 +0100, Hans Tutschku wrote: >I'm getting always different errors when I'm trying both, soundin >and out thru the card. (It works fine if I'm choosing >No Audio Input from the Synth menu) > >SoundDoublebuffer -200 >SPBSetDeviceInfor siPlayThruOnOff error: -17 I have similar problem with Lucid Technology's NB24 S/PDIF NuBus i/o card. (NB24's driver is SoundManager compliant.) SC can work with audio out but gets 'si' related problem with input (and forces to restart most of cases.) This happens both on ver. 1.0 and 1.1b5. k-taro From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 12 18:18:25 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 26098 invoked by uid 201); 12 Nov 1997 18:18:25 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 16850 invoked from network); 12 Nov 1997 18:18:06 -0000 Received: from maelzel.ircam.fr (129.102.1.10) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 12 Nov 1997 18:18:06 -0000 Received: from [129.102.3.57] (mac-perso-tutschku.ircam.fr [129.102.3.57]) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <199709291010.MAA05021@smtp1.xs4all.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 12 Nov 1997 19:16:44 +0100 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: Hans Tutschku <---@---.---> Subject: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net I'm a bit surprised that nobody had any (positiv) answer on my really urgent question about sound-in and output thru a Audiomedia III card. Is there really nobody working with it? Hans >How can I get Soundin and output thru a Audiomedia III card. >Which DAE version, which DigiSystem Init, which Digidesign Sound Driver ? > >I'm getting always different errors when I'm trying both, soundin >and out thru the card. (It works fine if I'm choosing >No Audio Input from the Synth menu) > >SoundDoublebuffer -200 >SPBSetDeviceInfor siPlayThruOnOff error: -17 > >thanks for a very quick answer, > >Hans From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 13 10:28:03 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 29524 invoked by uid 201); 13 Nov 1997 10:28:03 -0000 Date: 13 Nov 1997 10:28:02 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: (qmail 23378 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 10:27:08 -0000 Received: from kiwi.easynet.co.uk (HELO easynet.co.uk) (193.131.248.4) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 10:27:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 24091 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 10:28:30 -0000 X-Envelope-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: from finer.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?194.128.81.130?) (194.128.81.130) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 10:28:30 -0000 X-Sender: finer@mail.easynet.co.uk Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: finer@easynet.co.uk (Jem Finer) Subject: AMIII Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net >I'm a bit surprised that nobody had any (positiv) answer on my really >urgent question about >sound-in and output thru a Audiomedia III card. >Is there really nobody working with it? I asked a similar question a few months ago and if I remember correctly the answer was that it just doesn't work - why I don't know but I've a feeling that the blame was lain at digidesigns door ! Very unsatisfying and annoying i know and i'd love to know how to make it work. Jem Finer Kentish Town London NW5 finer@easynet.co.uk From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 13 15:25:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 4550 invoked by uid 201); 13 Nov 1997 15:25:00 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 16986 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 15:24:30 -0000 Received: from mailhub.dartmouth.edu (129.170.16.6) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 15:24:30 -0000 Received: from blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU (blitzen.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.4]) by mailhub.dartmouth.edu (8.8.7+DND/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA10788 for ; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:24:19 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 13 Nov 97 10:24:19 EST From: Kevin.P.Parks@Dartmouth.EDU (Kevin P. Parks) Subject: Re: stil urgent To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net sorry, i don't have an answer to your question. I never tried to use SC w/ Audiomedia III. I just wonder: Are there cards that do work with supercollider? Realtime is much nicer if you are not using the crappy internal sound on the Mac. Has anyone had any success using any of the new cards that are out now? the Korg 1212, the lucid tech card, etc.? Most of the new cards advertise themselves as being compatible with deck or peak, most have better specs than the Audiomedia III card as well. It would be great to get a good quality sound card for the mac that would work with SC and be able to avoid digidesign completely. cheers, kevin From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 13 16:53:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 15498 invoked by uid 201); 13 Nov 1997 16:53:03 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 29650 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 16:52:09 -0000 Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (128.83.129.156) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 16:52:09 -0000 Received: from [128.83.128.191] (dial-26-15.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA17840; Thu, 13 Nov 1997 10:55:07 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:04:39 -0700 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 8:24 AM -0700 11/13/97, Kevin P. Parks wrote: >sorry, i don't have an answer to your question. >I never tried to use SC w/ Audiomedia III. > >I just wonder: Are there cards that do work >with supercollider? Realtime is much nicer >if you are not using the crappy internal sound >on the Mac. Has anyone had any success using >any of the new cards that are out now? the Korg >1212, the lucid tech card, etc.? Most of the new >cards advertise themselves as being compatible >with deck or peak, most have better specs than >the Audiomedia III card as well. It would be great >to get a good quality sound card for the mac that >would work with SC and be able to avoid digidesign >completely. > >cheers, >kevin I called Emagic a while back and asked. THey said they wanted to keep it proprietary for a while, but to call back. So its time to call again.. The problem with the AudioMedia 3 is that apparently the driver does not support the sound manager calls I'm making. The error code -200 means 'noHardwareErr' when SC tries to open a channel. The sound manager is being told by the driver that there is no audio hardware. I don't have an AMIII to test with. --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 13 23:20:41 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 21848 invoked by uid 201); 13 Nov 1997 23:20:40 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 4060 invoked from network); 13 Nov 1997 23:18:04 -0000 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.6) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 13 Nov 1997 23:18:04 -0000 Received: from [150.203.14.10] (lippy.anu.edu.au [150.203.14.10]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25922 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:17:41 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: tjk691@anu.edu.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 14 Nov 1997 10:15:48 +0900 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: Tim Kreger <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 12:24 AM +0900 11/14/97, Kevin P. Parks wrote: >sorry, i don't have an answer to your question. >I never tried to use SC w/ Audiomedia III. > >I just wonder: Are there cards that do work >with supercollider? Realtime is much nicer >if you are not using the crappy internal sound >on the Mac. Has anyone had any success using >any of the new cards that are out now? the Korg >1212, the lucid tech card, etc.? Most of the new >cards advertise themselves as being compatible The korg card is great, easy to install very powerful(ie 12 in and outs of various types). The only three problems I have with it are : 1/ that at the moment only Deck and peak support(although apparently more are on the way (ie steinberg etc). Which makes it difficult to change when you have invested in the digidesign audio paradigm. but it's a fairly cheap to convert to . 2/ There are no soundmanager drivers for it yet(apparently there are beta version but you have to slay a goat to get it). Although those that do have it say it's much better than the digi soundmanager drivers. Once available this will make it far more useful. 3/ There is no DATa type backup utilities available for it, which is a major problem for institutional facilities which have many users on one machine. Although alternative backup technologies are available DAT backup is a relatively safe simple to use technolgy for digital studios and probably most home users. The card is a joy to install and work with(if you don't mind working with Deck II, i know a lot of people hate it). I've completed one fairly substantial wrok using it with no major problems). I just hope more people start writing software for it. Hope this helps. Tim Tim Kreger EMail: Tim.Kreger@anu.edu.au Lecturer in Computer Music Ph: 61-6-249-5642 Australian Centre for the Fax: 61-6-247-0229 Arts and Technology SNail: GPO Box 804, Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 05:43:53 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 48014 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 05:43:51 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 43370 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 05:42:26 -0000 Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (128.83.129.156) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 05:42:26 -0000 Received: from [128.83.254.127] (dial-76-15.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA25985; Tue, 18 Nov 1997 23:45:33 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 00:55:16 -0700 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 8:24 AM -0700 11/13/97, Kevin P. Parks wrote: >I just wonder: Are there cards that do work >with supercollider? Realtime is much nicer >if you are not using the crappy internal sound >on the Mac. Has anyone had any success using >any of the new cards that are out now? the Korg >1212, the lucid tech card, etc.? Most of the new >cards advertise themselves as being compatible >with deck or peak, most have better specs than >the Audiomedia III card as well. It would be great >to get a good quality sound card for the mac that >would work with SC and be able to avoid digidesign >completely. I now have the docs for the Korg 1212 and will look at doing that one. I really want multichannel out so I can drive the eight JBL Eons I have here. So it is not a question of 'if' but 'when'. (Don't base a purchasing decision on this yet, please.) SC 2.0 is still progressing. It is pretty cool. It took a long time to figure out how to get it right. I've gone through several new synth architectures and have settled on one that should be much easier to program, faster, and allows more powerful expression. Like what if your score algorithm on the fly generates not just static numeric parameters but subpatches to plug into an instrument's inputs? Like Nyquist it allows you to compose your entire piece as a graph of unit generators, but unlike Nyquist it still uses eager rather than lazy evaluation so that output is real time, low latency (on a suitable platform, not the Sound Mgr), and requires no allocation during synthesis. I was taking an approach like Nyquist using lazy evaluation, but I saw David Wessel's report on latency at ICMC and decided that the large buffer sizes required for reducing the overhead of the lazy approach would make latency too great. To play a sine wave in the new version you will do something like: Synth.play(FSinOsc.ar(440)); that's it. Most of the demo files will be much shorter to write and easier to read. --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 12:58:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 19598 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 12:58:04 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 30384 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from alpha.cc.oberlin.edu (SYSTEM@132.162.1.245) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 12:57:01 -0000 Received: from OBERLIN.EDU by OBERLIN.EDU (PMDF V5.1-8 #24033) id <01IQ6Q98UJQ8007ETR@OBERLIN.EDU> for sc-users@mail2.realtime.net; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:56:55 EDT Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 07:56:55 -0400 (EDT) From: GARY LEE NELSON <---@---.---> Subject: pitch detection To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Message-id: <01IQ6Q98ULMA007ETR@OBERLIN.EDU> X-VMS-To: IN%"sc-users@mail2.realtime.net" MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Has anyone written or seen a Mac program that uses the DSP to detect pitch from an audio input? Gary Nelson Oberlin College From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 13:12:08 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 42534 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 13:12:07 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 16632 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 13:10:53 -0000 Received: from veda.is (@193.4.230.1) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 13:10:53 -0000 Received: from [194.19.130.195] (pc2.publcs.dk [194.19.130.195] (may be forged)) by veda.is (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA00991 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:10:45 GMT Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01IQ6Q98ULMA007ETR@OBERLIN.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:08:12 +0200 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: "andrew m. mckenzie" <---@---.---> Subject: Re: pitch detection Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net >Has anyone written or seen a Mac program that uses the DSP >to detect pitch from an audio input? > yup. Autoscore. http://wildcat.com/ I have no idea if it works. best andrew mckenzie From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 16:59:35 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 17162 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 16:59:34 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 53496 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 16:59:21 -0000 Received: from sound.music.mcgill.ca (132.206.141.11) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 16:59:21 -0000 Received: from [167.114.19.50] (ppp30-mzt.acnet.net [167.114.19.62]) by sound.music.mcgill.ca (8.6.10/8.6.6) with SMTP id LAA29321 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 11:48:37 -0500 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 1996 10:02:29 -0600 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: brp@music.mcgill.ca (B. Pennycook) Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net James et al: SC2 sounds great! I strongly support an eager over lazy architecture as SC is an ideal language for building real-time dsp/music systems. The latency Wessel speaks about is well-known and for some reason Apple has not put much effort into improving throughput response. (However, an SGI/csound platform works rather well for throughput applications but costs too much and lacks the programming power of SC.) I would also welcome using the Korg card and hope that this becomes a reality. We are doing some multichannel perception research and need to build flexible, real-time models. Bruce Pennycook McGill University From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 17:23:18 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 14048 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 17:23:17 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 33376 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 17:22:41 -0000 Received: from ns.koncon.nl (HELO koncon.koncon.nl) (195.86.9.66) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 17:22:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (dirk@localhost) by koncon.koncon.nl (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id SAA07010; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:22:24 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:22:24 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: Dirk Haubrich <---@---.---> X-Sender: dirk@koncon To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net cc: Dirk Haubrich Subject: list.collect question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net in the following code i included two testfunctions. test1 is writing over the original list, test2 is not destructive. i dont have an answer for that, do you? dirk --*************************************** defaudioout L R; var tuning1 tuning2 ; init { tuning1 = ([ 197 341 495 703 853 1009].clump(1)).collect( { arg element; element.add('2nd') }); tuning2 = [ 197 341 495 703 853 1009]; setAsciiFunc( { arg asciiCode keyCode modifierFlags; if asciiCode == 0x70 then test1;end -- "p" if asciiCode == 0x71 then test2;end -- "q" }); } start { } test1 { var list ; (tuning1 @ 0).post; tuning1.flat.post; -- returns [ 197 2nd ] list = tuning1; list.collect({arg item index; ^(extend( item , 1)) }); (tuning1 @ 0).post; -- returns [ 197 ] (list @ 0).post; -- returns [ 197 ] } test2 { var list ; (tuning2 @ 0).post; list = tuning2; list = (list.collect({arg item index; ^(item - 100) })); (tuning2 @ 0).post; (list @ 0).post; } From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 18:36:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 15998 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 18:36:53 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 47936 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 18:36:16 -0000 Received: from kiyak.calarts.edu (156.3.140.120) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 18:36:16 -0000 Received: (from eric@localhost) by kiyak.calarts.edu (950413.SGI.8.6.12/950213.SGI.AUTOCF) id KAA06747; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:36:35 -0800 Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 10:36:33 -0800 (PST) From: Eric Kuehnl <---@---.---> To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Subject: Re: pitch detection In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Isn't Autoscore intended to generate standard notation? I'm not sure that it would be very useful for interactivity. I believe IRCAM's MAX-FTS will be released for Macintosh sometime in the next few months. The current version of FTS does pitch and amplitude tracking with ease on an SGI. Of course, it doesn't have the interface or number of objects that Opcode MAX has. It isn't cheap either. See http://www.ircam.fr/activites/recherche/tempsreel-e.html Regards, Eric ********************************* Eric Stephen Kuehnl CalArts Computer Music eric@shoko.calarts.edu ********************************* On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, andrew m. mckenzie wrote: > >Has anyone written or seen a Mac program that uses the DSP > >to detect pitch from an audio input? > > > yup. Autoscore. http://wildcat.com/ > > I have no idea if it works. > > best > > andrew mckenzie > > From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 20:58:07 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 45108 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 20:58:06 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 30318 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 20:57:03 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 20:57:03 -0000 Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id OAA08372 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:56:55 -0600 Received: (qmail 4272 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 20:56:32 -0000 Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (128.83.129.156) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 20:56:32 -0000 Received: from [128.83.249.68] (dial-95-4.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27411; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 14:59:39 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 16:09:24 -0700 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 6:15 PM -0700 11/13/97, Tim Kreger wrote: > 2/ There are no soundmanager drivers for it yet(apparently there >are beta version but you have to slay a goat to get it). Although those >that do have it say it's much better than the digi soundmanager drivers. >Once available this will make it far more useful. These drivers ARE available now from the korg website. www.korg.com > > 3/ There is no DATa type backup utilities available for it, which >is a major problem for institutional facilities which have many users on >one machine. Although alternative backup technologies are available DAT >backup is a relatively safe simple to use technolgy for digital studios and >probably most home users. Before Jaz drives and the like that was an issue. DATs just don't hold significantly more than other media anymore. Besides I've had DATa archives get corrupted. It is not nearly reliable as a real data DAT tape drive. Also there is time. To back up an hour of audio via DATa requires an hour. With a 4X CD-R, 15 minutes. Even faster on a removable disk. > just hope more people >start writing software for it. I intend to. --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 21:56:30 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 17858 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 21:56:29 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 42776 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 21:55:38 -0000 Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id PAA21240 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:55:35 -0600 Received: (qmail 10936 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (128.83.129.156) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 21:55:33 -0000 Received: from [128.83.249.68] (dial-95-4.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA27534; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 15:58:15 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:07:57 -0700 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: list.collect question Cc: Dirk Haubrich Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 10:22 AM -0700 11/19/97, Dirk Haubrich wrote: >in the following code i included two testfunctions. >test1 is writing over the original list, >test2 is not destructive. > >i dont have an answer for that, do you? > >dirk > >--*************************************** >defaudioout L R; >var tuning1 tuning2 ; >init { > tuning1 = ([ 197 341 495 703 853 1009].clump(1)).collect( > { arg element; element.add('2nd') }); > tuning2 = [ 197 341 495 703 853 1009]; > setAsciiFunc( { arg asciiCode keyCode modifierFlags; > if asciiCode == 0x70 then test1;end -- >"p" > if asciiCode == 0x71 then test2;end -- >"q" > }); >} > >start { >} > > >test1 { > var list ; at this point tuning1 is a list of lists: [ [197 2nd], [341 2nd], ..etc.. [1009 2nd] ] > (tuning1 @ 0).post; posts [ 197 2nd ] > tuning1.flat.post; -- returns [ 197 2nd ] the comment above is wrong. This posts : [ 197 2nd 341 2nd ... 1009 2nd ] However tuning1 is not changed. flat does not alter the original list. The result of flat is being discarded. > list = tuning1; list and tuning1 now point to the same object. This is not a copy > list.collect({arg item index; ^(extend( item , 1)) }); OK this is where you are probably getting confused. extend DOES alter its argument so all the lists in the original list are getting changed from [ 197 2nd ] to [ 197 ]. Also you are not assigning the output of list.collect to anything so the collected list is being thrown away but in the process, you've modified the sublists using extend. > (tuning1 @ 0).post; -- returns [ 197 ] > (list @ 0).post; -- returns [ 197 ] Both of the above are correct because the original sublists were altered by extend. > } >test2 { > var list ; > (tuning2 @ 0).post; > list = tuning2; > list = (list.collect({arg item index; ^(item - 100) })); > (tuning2 @ 0).post; > (list @ 0).post; > } is there any question about test2 ? --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Wed Nov 19 23:44:45 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 45226 invoked by uid 201); 19 Nov 1997 23:44:44 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 29544 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:40:26 -0000 Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA15012 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:40:19 -0600 Received: (qmail 13072 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:40:17 -0000 Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id RAA14980 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 17:40:12 -0600 Received: (qmail 27594 invoked from network); 19 Nov 1997 23:40:03 -0000 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.6) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 19 Nov 1997 23:40:03 -0000 Received: from [150.203.14.10] (lippy.anu.edu.au [150.203.14.10]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03841 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:39:55 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: tjk691@anu.edu.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 10:38:02 +0900 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: Tim Kreger <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net > >I was taking an approach like Nyquist using lazy evaluation, >but I saw David Wessel's report on latency at ICMC and >decided that the large buffer sizes required for reducing >the overhead of the lazy approach would make latency too >great. > I've heard that the throughput latency of the Korg 1212 is much lower than the AMIII, although I odn't think this takes the Sound Manager into consideration. SC2 sounds very exciting, I'm looking forward to it. Tim Tim Kreger EMail: Tim.Kreger@anu.edu.au Lecturer in Computer Music Ph: 61-6-249-5642 Australian Centre for the Fax: 61-6-247-0229 Arts and Technology SNail: GPO Box 804, Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 20 00:46:44 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 32748 invoked by uid 201); 20 Nov 1997 00:46:43 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 27894 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:45:23 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:45:23 -0000 Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id SAA27918 for ; Wed, 19 Nov 1997 18:45:18 -0600 Received: (qmail 26558 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from softdnserror (HELO anugpo.anu.edu.au) (150.203.2.6) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 00:45:10 -0000 Received: from [150.203.14.10] (lippy.anu.edu.au [150.203.14.10]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04506 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:44:33 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: tjk691@anu.edu.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 11:42:41 +0900 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: Tim Kreger <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 8:09 AM +0900 11/20/97, James McCartney wrote: >At 6:15 PM -0700 11/13/97, Tim Kreger wrote: > >> 2/ There are no soundmanager drivers for it yet(apparently there >>are beta version but you have to slay a goat to get it). Although those >>that do have it say it's much better than the digi soundmanager drivers. >>Once available this will make it far more useful. > >These drivers ARE available now from the korg website. www.korg.com Thanks, just picked them up today, the web site they had in our documentation had and old site which they weren't updating or redirecting. My apologies. > >> >> 3/ There is no DATa type backup utilities available for it, which >>is a major problem for institutional facilities which have many users on >>one machine. Although alternative backup technologies are available DAT >>backup is a relatively safe simple to use technolgy for digital studios and >>probably most home users. > >Before Jaz drives and the like that was an issue. DATs just don't >hold significantly more than other media anymore. Besides I've >had DATa archives get corrupted. It is not nearly reliable as >a real data DAT tape drive. Also there is time. To back up an >hour of audio via DATa requires an hour. With a 4X CD-R, 15 minutes. >Even faster on a removable disk. > Yeah the CDR solution seems to be the best at the moment, and the time issue is important. The DAT is perhaps out dated but my students seem to find it the best solution at the moment. A DAT is still cheaper than a JAZ cartridge although not as cheap as CDR. Most of my students find it a struggle to buy a DAT cassette so we've avoided the JAZ. We've just got a CD-R drive so I suppose we'll find out how well it'll serves us. I personally still like DAT because it's easier to get files from the MAC to out SGI's very quickly(although again the transfers are done in real-time). Tim Tim Kreger EMail: Tim.Kreger@anu.edu.au Lecturer in Computer Music Ph: 61-6-249-5642 Australian Centre for the Fax: 61-6-247-0229 Arts and Technology SNail: GPO Box 804, Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 20 07:23:54 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 17788 invoked by uid 201); 20 Nov 1997 07:23:53 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 15508 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 07:22:49 -0000 Received: from clyde.as.utexas.edu (128.83.129.156) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 07:22:49 -0000 Received: from [128.83.176.26] (dial-102-26.ots.utexas.edu) by clyde.as.utexas.edu (5.x/SMI-SVR4) id AA28218; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:25:58 -0600 Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: <3938036@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 02:35:43 -0700 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 6:38 PM -0700 11/19/97, Tim Kreger wrote: >> >>I was taking an approach like Nyquist using lazy evaluation, >>but I saw David Wessel's report on latency at ICMC and >>decided that the large buffer sizes required for reducing >>the overhead of the lazy approach would make latency too >>great. >> > >I've heard that the throughput latency of the Korg 1212 is much lower than >the AMIII, although I odn't think this takes the Sound Manager into >consideration. There are different ways to interpret throughput latency. There is a card's internal latency and then there is the latency you would get if you went into the card, across PCI to the CPU, process a buffer and then go back across the PCI to the card. Unfortunately due to an interupt bug in the Macs PCI hardware that latency could be quite large. Because of this it is likely that using any PCI card with SC could have worse latency than the Sound Manager. Hard disk recording programs are not affected by it since they dont have an in-to-out signal path. You are either recording a channel or playing it. According to David Wessel's report mentioned above the SGI was the clear winner in latency, achieving 6 msecs +/- 1. The Mac faired pretty badly. --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-demo.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Thu Nov 20 13:31:36 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 43044 invoked by uid 201); 20 Nov 1997 13:31:35 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 15398 invoked from network); 20 Nov 1997 13:30:26 -0000 Received: from ns.koncon.nl (HELO koncon.koncon.nl) (195.86.9.66) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 20 Nov 1997 13:30:26 -0000 Received: from localhost (dirk@localhost) by koncon.koncon.nl (8.7.1/8.7.1) with SMTP id OAA03538 for ; Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:30:19 +0100 (GMT+0100) Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 14:30:19 +0100 (GMT+0100) From: Dirk Haubrich <---@---.---> X-Sender: dirk@koncon To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Subject: Re: list.collect /.flat crash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net the list.collect question came to me because i wanted to solve the following two questions concerning the printout of the result of the permutation a list of lists -how do i get a flattened printout of the list? BaseList.flat.post; cr*shes -how do i get a listed printout of the first elements of the sublists? dirk --************************************ defaudioout L R; defaudiobuf AudioBuffer1 ; var BaseList Countindex = 0; init { BaseList = ((white(35 0.0 15.0)).clump(1)).collect ( { arg element; element.add(AudioBuffer1) }); setAsciiFunc( { arg asciiCode keyCode modifierFlags; if asciiCode == 0x70 then Permutation;end -- "p" }); } Permutation { amount = 12; BaseList = BaseList.permute(amount); (BaseList @ 0).post; BaseList.post; -- returns [ [list] [list] ..... --BaseList.flat.post; -- cr*shes } -- the following explains the usage of BaseList BufferPlayer { Counter(`Countindex BaseList.size); Position = (Countindex - 1); Base = (BaseList @ Position)@ 0; Buffer = (BaseList @ Position) @ 1; grain = Acpgrain(Buffer, Base, 1, 0.1, 1, `dspRemove); {grain.value.out( L);}.dspAdd(0); [ 0.1, thisFunc].sched; } Counter { arg IndexAsRef max; IndexAsRef.putAtRef ( (IndexAsRef.getAtRef + 1 ).wrap(1,max) ); } From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Fri Nov 21 00:44:28 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 39316 invoked by uid 201); 21 Nov 1997 00:44:27 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: (qmail 29612 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 00:43:01 -0000 Received: from hurricane.netspace.net.au (203.10.110.65) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 00:43:01 -0000 Received: from [210.15.250.148] (dialup-t1-148.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.148]) by hurricane.netspace.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA25516 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:42:53 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: nfrayne@pop.netspace.net.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 11:43:18 +1100 To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: nfrayne@netspace.net.au (NIGEL FRAYNE) Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net While we're talking multi-channel cards - how about the Event cards? I know the Mac drivers are out yet but deliveries of the cards are starting to flow. >I called Emagic a while back and asked. THey said they wanted to >keep it proprietary for a while, but to call back. So its >time to call again.. > >The problem with the AudioMedia 3 is that apparently the >driver does not support the sound manager calls I'm making. >The error code -200 means 'noHardwareErr' when SC tries to open a >channel. The sound manager is being told by the driver that there >is no audio hardware. >I don't have an AMIII to test with. > > > --- james mccartney james@clyde.as.utexas.edu james@lcsaudio.com >If you have a PowerMac check out SuperCollider, a real time synth program: >ftp://mirror.apple.com//mirrors/Info-Mac.Archive/gst/snd/super-collider-dem >o.hqx From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Fri Nov 21 03:49:38 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 54958 invoked by uid 201); 21 Nov 1997 03:49:38 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: (qmail 39248 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.6) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from [150.203.14.10] (lippy.anu.edu.au [150.203.14.10]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16857; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:48:08 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: tjk691@anu.edu.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:46:14 +0900 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net, sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: Tim Kreger <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 9:43 AM +0900 11/21/97, NIGEL FRAYNE wrote: >While we're talking multi-channel cards - how about the Event cards? I >know the Mac drivers are out yet but deliveries of the cards are starting >to flow. > > Is that the Layla and Gina systems?? I've heard they're are pretty amazing system for the price. We were considering one of these systems instead of the Korg but couldn't wait. Anyone using one of these?? Tim Tim Kreger EMail: Tim.Kreger@anu.edu.au Lecturer in Computer Music Ph: 61-6-249-5642 Australian Centre for the Fax: 61-6-247-0229 Arts and Technology SNail: GPO Box 804, Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Fri Nov 21 03:49:47 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 54996 invoked by uid 201); 21 Nov 1997 03:49:46 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 39248 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from anugpo.anu.edu.au (150.203.2.6) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 03:48:59 -0000 Received: from [150.203.14.10] (lippy.anu.edu.au [150.203.14.10]) by anugpo.anu.edu.au (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16857; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:48:08 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: tjk691@anu.edu.au Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 14:46:14 +0900 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net, sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: Tim Kreger <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net At 9:43 AM +0900 11/21/97, NIGEL FRAYNE wrote: >While we're talking multi-channel cards - how about the Event cards? I >know the Mac drivers are out yet but deliveries of the cards are starting >to flow. > > Is that the Layla and Gina systems?? I've heard they're are pretty amazing system for the price. We were considering one of these systems instead of the Korg but couldn't wait. Anyone using one of these?? Tim Tim Kreger EMail: Tim.Kreger@anu.edu.au Lecturer in Computer Music Ph: 61-6-249-5642 Australian Centre for the Fax: 61-6-247-0229 Arts and Technology SNail: GPO Box 804, Canberra, ACT 2601 Australia From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Fri Nov 21 06:09:01 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 6186 invoked by uid 201); 21 Nov 1997 06:09:00 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 19576 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 06:07:53 -0000 Received: from mailhub.dartmouth.edu (129.170.16.6) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 06:07:53 -0000 Received: from blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU (blitzen.dartmouth.edu [129.170.208.4]) by mailhub.dartmouth.edu (8.8.7+DND/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA14617 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:07:40 -0500 (EST) Message-id: <4496804@blitzen.Dartmouth.EDU> Date: 21 Nov 97 01:07:40 EST From: Kevin.P.Parks@Dartmouth.EDU (Kevin P. Parks) Subject: Re: stil urgent To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net --- You wrote: Anyone using one of these?? --- end of quote --- they are not out for the mac yet. dispite what the adds may seem to imply. It's been a bit of a bone of contention, with some folks clamoring that what event has done borders on false advertising, etc. Most folks have stopped waiting and gone ahead with other cards taking a " i believe it when i see it" attitude. Personally , i wouldn't hold my breath. Buy another card (even a digi card, god help us) then send event a note letting them know that you would have bought their card but they dragged their feet way too long. Maybe they will smarten up and refrain from advertising things that they aren't really trying too hard to bring to market. I guess they figure they would get enough sales from PC users and get a Mac card happening when and if they get around to it, meanwhile they will yank everyone's chain and act like their card is "just moments away". see: http://www.event1.com/letter.html cheers, -kevin From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Fri Nov 21 07:51:06 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 48584 invoked by uid 201); 21 Nov 1997 07:51:06 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 49836 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 07:50:39 -0000 Received: from zoom.realtime.net (HELO zoom.bga.com) (root@205.238.128.40) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 07:50:39 -0000 Received: from mail1.realtime.net (mail1.realtime.net [205.238.128.217]) by zoom.bga.com (8.6.12/8.6.12) with SMTP id BAA15003 for ; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 01:50:39 -0600 Received: (qmail 10824 invoked from network); 21 Nov 1997 07:50:37 -0000 Received: from hil-img-8.compuserve.com (149.174.177.138) by mail1.realtime.net with SMTP; 21 Nov 1997 07:50:37 -0000 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hil-img-8.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/2.9) id CAA15082 for sc-users@mail2.realtime.net; Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:50:05 -0500 (EST) Date: Fri, 21 Nov 1997 02:48:19 -0500 From: Curtis Roads <---@---.---> Subject: Re: stil urgent To: "INTERNET:sc-users@mail2.realtime.net" Message-ID: <199711210249_MC2-28FC-1FB9@compuserve.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Concerning multi-channel I/O on the MacOS platform: There is indeed a great deal of advance advertising. Many companies are doing this. It is not a new practice. One must be prudent in interpreting advertisements. We have been in contact with Event Electronics, a local company, and will be beta-testing these cards on the MacOS platform when they are available, perhaps in January. The demonstration that we heard of the Gina card on the PC platform was impressive in terms of signal-to-noise ratio for the money. Lexicon will be sending us their 16-in, 16-out Studio System for Macintosh when it is available in "late January." We are also expecting the Korg DRS Soundlink for review in the next week or so. Best regards, Curtis Roads Associate Editor, Reviews Computer Music Journal Department of Music University of California Santa Barbara From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sun Nov 23 11:19:04 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 6382 invoked by uid 201); 23 Nov 1997 11:19:04 -0000 Date: 23 Nov 1997 11:19:03 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net Received: (qmail 27444 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 11:18:07 -0000 Received: from kiwi.easynet.co.uk (HELO easynet.co.uk) (193.131.248.4) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 11:18:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 23952 invoked from network); 23 Nov 1997 11:19:22 -0000 Received: from finer.easynet.co.uk (HELO ?194.128.81.130?) (194.128.81.130) by kiwi.easynet.co.uk with SMTP; 23 Nov 1997 11:19:22 -0000 X-Sender: finer@mail.easynet.co.uk (Unverified) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@lists.realtime.net From: finer@easynet.co.uk (Jem Finer) Subject: Beat Detection Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net >Has anyone written or seen a Mac program that uses the DSP >to detect pitch from an audio input? On a similar theme has anyone written or seen a Mac program that uses the DSP to work out BPM from an audio input ? Jem Finer Kentish Town London NW5 finer@easynet.co.uk From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Mon Nov 24 02:48:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 34452 invoked by uid 201); 24 Nov 1997 02:48:39 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 39304 invoked from network); 24 Nov 1997 02:48:27 -0000 Received: from hurricane.netspace.net.au (203.10.110.65) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 24 Nov 1997 02:48:27 -0000 Received: from [210.15.250.92] (dialup-t1-92.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.250.92]) by hurricane.netspace.net.au (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id NAA21792 for ; Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:48:20 +1100 (EST) X-Sender: nfrayne@pop.netspace.net.au Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 24 Nov 1997 13:48:54 +1100 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: nfrayne@netspace.net.au (NIGEL FRAYNE) Subject: Re: stil urgent Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net >At 9:43 AM +0900 11/21/97, NIGEL FRAYNE wrote: >>While we're talking multi-channel cards - how about the Event cards? I >>know the Mac drivers are out yet but deliveries of the cards are starting >>to flow. >> >> Sorry I meant to say the "Mac drivers AREN'T out yet..." > >Is that the Layla and Gina systems?? Darla and Gina are available in small quantities here in Oz - Layla due in Dec. The drivers for Win boxes are still being updated from time to time. But the cards DO work though I haven't done any critical tests on them for comparisons with others. >I've heard they're are pretty amazing system for the price. > Incredible prices really! NF. _______________________________________ NIGEL FRAYNE MELBOURNE AUSTRALIA nfrayne@netspace.net.au _______________________________________ From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sat Nov 29 23:30:39 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 53294 invoked by uid 201); 29 Nov 1997 23:30:39 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 32612 invoked from network); 29 Nov 1997 23:29:40 -0000 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (194.109.6.51) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 29 Nov 1997 23:29:40 -0000 Received: from xs2.xs4all.nl (root@xs2.xs4all.nl [194.109.6.43]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id AAA24242 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:29:20 +0100 (MET) Received: from [194.109.44.235] (asd08-10.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.44.235]) by xs2.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/8.8.6) with ESMTP id AAA14378 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:29:18 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 00:12:47 +0100 To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: joel ryan <---@---.---> Subject: A working (almost) DIO card for SC Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net I just returned from 3 weeks working in England and missed the question about PCI cards for SuperCollider I have been using the Emagic card with SuperCollider since last summer. However their beta release SoundManager Driver only supports digital Audio OUT The driver has been in this unimproved state for about six months. For my current work this has not been a problem. I have been digitizing raw material via LogicAudio which communicates directly with the card. For live instrument processing via a PA (Meyer) the mac analog input has satisfied. With LogicAudio the card works as advertised Digital i/o + 8 analog out, 2in. The only problem seems to be the confusion of digital clock references when you have both Digital in and out connected at the same time this is however not a problem of the card but of the Logic software which does not provide a convenient way of recognizing or dealing with the problem. (I used SuperCollider to generate most of the material for the RSC production of "Roberto Zucco" by Bernard-Marie Koltes. Thank you again James JRyan) / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ / / Joel Ryan +31 (020) 624-3886 jr@xs4all.nl / Frankfurt Ballet Institute of Sonology / STEIM Studio for Electro-Instrumental Music Amsterdam / / _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ From owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Sun Nov 30 00:19:13 1997 Return-Path: Delivered-To: sc-users-outgoing@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 34462 invoked by uid 201); 30 Nov 1997 00:19:12 -0000 Delivered-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net Received: (qmail 53578 invoked from network); 30 Nov 1997 00:18:32 -0000 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (194.109.6.51) by mail2.realtime.net with SMTP; 30 Nov 1997 00:18:32 -0000 Received: from [194.109.48.228] (ztm-isdn04-03.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.48.228]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.8.6/XS4ALL) with ESMTP id BAA00704 for ; Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:18:30 +0100 (MET) Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 01:18:30 +0100 (MET) Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net From: rodney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: A working (almost) DIO card for SC Sender: owner-sc-users@lists.realtime.net Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sc-users@mail2.realtime.net >I just returned from 3 weeks working in England >and missed the question about PCI cards for SuperCollider > >I have been using the Emagic card with SuperCollider >since last summer. hi Joel , nice to have you back how did everything workout ? rr