From: owner-sc-users-digest@lists.io.com (sc-users-digest) To: sc-users-digest@lists.io.com Subject: sc-users-digest V1 #112 Reply-To: sc-users Sender: owner-sc-users-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-sc-users-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk sc-users-digest Tuesday, April 25 2000 Volume 01 : Number 112 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 12:31:13 +0100 From: rkuivila@mail.wesleyan.edu (Ron Kuivila) Subject: OSC: MAX <-> SC, is the timestamp the problem? Hi James, It appears that the reason why SuperCollider does not see OSC messages from MAX is the timestamp field. The CNMAT MAX objects send a timestamp of 1 and SuperCollider does not recognize messages whose timestamp is not 0. In particular, this packet is received: aPort.sendRaw(Int8Array[ 16r23 , 16r62, 16r75, 16r6e, 16r64, 16r6c, 16r65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 16r10, 16r2f, 16r66, 16r72, 16r65, 16r71, 0, 0, 0, 16r69, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 16r91 ]); While this packet is not: aPort.sendRaw(Int8Array[ 16r23 , 16r62, 16r75, 16r6e, 16r64, 16r6c, 16r65, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 16r10, 16r2f, 16r66, 16r72, 16r65, 16r71, 0, 0, 0, 16r69, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 16r91 ]); What is the preferred fix? RJK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 17:44:36 +0100 From: Martin Robinson <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Updating Klangs Specifications > Giving an initial value works to the extent that the patch runs - but though > synth.repeat updates the array it never gets the message through to the > Klang. > You need to use some sort of spawner, Klang's specs can't be updated after initialisation. TrigXFade would probably be good, you could get the Klang patch to re-psawn (with a very short xfade) when any of the parameters are updated. Martin >>>>>>Martin Robinson :: (Ex)tractor :: && ________ >>><<<_sonicArts.at(middlesexUniversity.london.uk); ______ <><><>__this.liveElectronics.interFaces.diffusion ____ ________________________________________________________________ : glitches.in.the.fake.plastic: // spring.loaded // thePLACE : : london.euston(ø) : 26.apr.ZEROZERO & 27.apr.ZEROZERO 20:00 : ________________________________________________________________ >><<>>___t.+44 [0] 7970 405 903 // f.+44 [0] 7970 702 976 __ >><><>____e. _ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 11:03:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Chris Brown <---@---.---> Subject: Re: OSC: MAX <-> SC, is the timestamp the problem? Couldn't SC stuff any timestamp into an OSCInNode's instance variable, so that the user have access to or ignore it at their own discretion ? This would make it possible for a sender to buffer data streams so that receivers could smooth out internet delay jitter . cb **************************************************** Chris Brown Composer, Pianist, Electronic Musician Assoc. Prof. of Music and Co-Director, Center for Contemporary Music (CCM) Mills College, Oakland, CA 94613 email: cbmus@mills.edu, phone: 510-430-2330; fax 510-430-3314 **************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 22:18:41 +0100 From: rkuivila@mail.wesleyan.edu (Ron Kuivila) Subject: Re: OSC: MAX <-> SC, is the timestamp the problem? >Couldn't SC stuff any timestamp into an OSCInNode's instance >variable, so that the user have access to or ignore it at their own >discretion ? This would make it possible for a sender to buffer data >streams so that receivers could smooth out >internet delay jitter . > >cb I don't know. The problem I am having is from Max to Sc, not the other way around. The fix is to set the timestamp on the MAX end to 0 0. This works. You also need to append the id's mentioned in the Sc documentation (i.e., i for an integer, etc.) Basically, formatting OSC packets in MAX is a job for Pyrite! RJK ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:21:44 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: OSC between SC and MAX questions on 2/6/40 12:36 AM, Ron Kuivila at rkuivila@mail.wesleyan.edu wrote: > Hi all, > > Has anyone gotten MAX and SC to talk to each other via OSC yet? I have met > with > limited success: > > 1.SC-> MAX > > I can send ints and strings from SC to the CNMAT OSC objects in MAX. > Floats from SC are doubles, which those objects do not appear to support. > Is there a solution? For example, a way to send a float from SC as a > single precision float? > > 2. MAX -> SC > I have not been able to get SC to recognize OSC packets from MAX at all. > Has anyone else? Have you read the document on the format of SC OSC binary messages ? - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Apr 2000 20:25:38 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: OSC: MAX <-> SC, is the timestamp the problem? on 4/23/00 4:18 PM, Ron Kuivila at rkuivila@mail.wesleyan.edu wrote: > I don't know. The problem I am having is from Max to Sc, not the other > way around. The fix is to set the timestamp on the MAX end to 0 0. This > works. You also need to append the id's mentioned in the Sc documentation > (i.e., i for an integer, etc.) > Only #bundles have time stamps. Unbundled OSC messages do not. - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:52:04 +0100 From: rkuivila@mail.wesleyan.edu (Ron Kuivila) Subject: Re: OSC: MAX <-> SC, is the timestamp the problem? > >Only #bundles have time stamps. Unbundled OSC messages do not. > Hi James, The Max object bundles everything, whether you want it to or not.... There is still the question of how to get the MAX object to deal with double precision floats. (I am definitely a MAX dummy, maybe there is a way to convert two 32bit values into a 64bit float, but I couldn't find it.) Is the type tagging that SC uses something CNMAT intends to support? (BTW: is anyone at CNMAT listening?) If not, would it be worth having sendNoTags send singles? Oh how I long for the future, totally connected SuperCollider that obviates the need for bang boxes..... RJK ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 07:24:20 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: OSC: MAX <-> SC, is the timestamp the problem? on 4/24/00 2:52 AM, Ron Kuivila at rkuivila@mail.wesleyan.edu wrote: > There is still the question of how to get the MAX object to deal with > double precision floats. (I am definitely a MAX dummy, maybe there is a way > to convert two 32bit values into a 64bit float, but I couldn't find it.) How to send single precision floats is explained in OSCOutPort.help If you want to send a 32 bit float then you should use the Float::as32Bits method which returns an Integer that has the same bit pattern of the corresponding 32 bit float. - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 10:41:01 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Crash! on 4/22/00 6:30 AM, Jesper Elén at j.elen@telia.com wrote: > Hi! > It seems that SC crashes when I press > option->backarrow. (any arrow?) I am unable to reproduce this. For me it moves the caret to the beginning of the current word/token as it should. Anything more specific on how to reproduce it? - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 08:53:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Chad Kirby <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Crash! > on 4/22/00 6:30 AM, Jesper Elén at j.elen@telia.com wrote: > > > Hi! > > It seems that SC crashes when I press > > option->backarrow. (any arrow?) I have seen SC crash in this sort of circumstance. Although in my case, it is usually when trying to highlight a chunk with option + shift + [back/forward]arrow. The best I have been able to define the problem is that it happens 'sometimes, not that often', which isn't so helpful. It may be true (and may or not be relevant) that each machine on which I have witnessed this crash also displays that bug where SC doesn't highlight all the text between parentheses in very long files. Chad Kirby // Technical Coordinator for Digital Arts // CARTAH ckirby@u.washington.edu // 206\616-6258 ________ It takes your enemy and your friend, working together, to hurt you: the one to slander you, and the other to bring the news to you. Mark Twain (1835-1910) On Mon, 24 Apr 2000, James McCartney wrote: > I am unable to reproduce this. For me it moves the caret to the beginning of > the current word/token as it should. Anything more specific on how to > reproduce it? > > --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com > SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 13:29:31 -0600 From: David Cottle <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Crash! Hi, >> Hi! >> It seems that SC crashes when I press >> option->backarrow. (any arrow?) > > I am unable to reproduce this. For me it moves the caret to the beginning of > the current word/token as it should. Anything more specific on how to > reproduce it? Try it next to '+', '=', etc. For example, it works ok with the code below except if the cursor is before, after the '=' or next to or between the '!=' if(seed != 0, {thisThread.randSeed = seed}, {0.rand; seed = thisThread.randSeed} ); ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2000 15:23:14 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: Crash! OK fixed it.. > Try it next to '+', '=', etc. For example, it works ok with the code below > except if the cursor is before, after the '=' or next to or between the '!=' > > if(seed != 0, > {thisThread.randSeed = seed}, > {0.rand; seed = thisThread.randSeed} > ); > - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:13:24 +0200 From: "Jesper El=?ISO-8859-1?B?6Q==?=n" <---@---.---> Subject: SV: Crash! > OK fixed it.. 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From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: strange error on saving Apple error -34 means your disk is full. - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 17:33:15 +1000 From: Garth Paine <---@---.---> Subject: Re: powerbook Audio on 21/4/00 6:39 PM, tomonori yamasaki at tyamasa@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote: > Tascam is going to sell a USB Audio/Midi Interface (4ch audio, MIDI > In/Out) for mac in May ($550 little mixer look). Could you provide a model number or a URL for this interface? Cheers Garth Paine see my new installation work Reeds, and hear some of the tracks off my CD at http://www.activatedspace.com.au ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. Activated Space . Composer, Sound Designer, Installation Artist .. Interactives Designer, Exhibition Consultant ........ph. 61 3 95720133 garth@activatedspace.com.au .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 00:57:08 -0700 From: tomonori yamasaki <---@---.---> Subject: Re: powerbook Audio > > Tascam is going to sell a USB Audio/Midi Interface (4ch audio, MIDI > > In/Out) for mac in May ($550 little mixer look). > > Could you provide a model number or a URL for this interface? http://www.tascam.com/products/category_USB.html this is it. iBook has 12Mbps high-speed USB, I wonder if this interface works with iBook. iBook is $1,199 at Apple store (refurbished). If this comes with ASIO, this should work with SC right? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2000 21:59:13 +1000 From: Garth Paine <---@---.---> Subject: Re: powerbook Audio on 25/4/00 5:57 PM, tomonori yamasaki at tyamasa@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote: > http://www.tascam.com/products/category_USB.html Thanks, looks cool - now all we need is a few more outputs - I think a minimum of 4 is essential for using SC for spatialisation, and for that matter just to make a nice sound space for people to inhabit for a while. Cheers Garth Paine see my new installation work Reeds, and hear some of the tracks off my CD at http://www.activatedspace.com.au ,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. Activated Space . Composer, Sound Designer, Installation Artist .. Interactives Designer, Exhibition Consultant ........ph. 61 3 95720133 garth@activatedspace.com.au .,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,.,. ------------------------------ End of sc-users-digest V1 #112 ******************************