From: owner-sc-users-digest@lists.io.com (sc-users-digest) To: sc-users-digest@lists.io.com Subject: sc-users-digest V1 #295 Reply-To: sc-users Sender: owner-sc-users-digest@lists.io.com Errors-To: owner-sc-users-digest@lists.io.com Precedence: bulk sc-users-digest Friday, May 25 2001 Volume 01 : Number 295 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:20:29 +0200 From: Julian Rohrhuber <---@---.---> Subject: Re: OT: Apple Store trip http://swiki.hfbk.uni-hamburg.de:8080/MusicTechnology/211 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:45:50 -0700 From: Geoff Spradley <---@---.---> Subject: [OT] re: iBook's performance, adding a G4 DVD-ROM >[from , Tue, 22 May 2001 16:53:16 -0800]: > >a note about the ibook >good friend of mine just got one - its his first computer so i've been over >there every day installing his software and teaching him how to use it. >so after spending some time on the ibook here are my two cents: >well first of all i didnt see any bundled software other than itunes and >imovie. like you said, not great selling points for that much money. >this machine seems to be way below par for apple. it has a g3/500 in it but >sure don't act that way. maybe due to the slower bus and smaller backside >cache but it is not a fast computer. ya know how every once in a while you >will do something in the finder (like select a folder) and it takes a few >seconds to catch up (finishing some other task first)? this happens to my >g4s every so often, but kinda rare. well, it happens quite a lot on the >ibook. enough to be frustrating. Your friend probably bought the entry-level iBook, which only comes with 64MB RAM (paltry when OS9.1 grabs 50MB). He's only $50/$100 away from enjoying life; he should buy a 128/256MB memory add-on from a reputable (but non-Apple) merchant. In fact, the Lonely Planet Guide to Computing on a Shoestring recommends always buying Apple's cheapest models and adding the beef yourself. Speaking of which, has anyone tried adding an Intel-land DVD-ROM drive to a G3 or G4 tower slaved to the factory CD drive on the ATA bus? I once tried swapping one for my G3 desktop's internal CD-ROM drive, but, I'm guessing due to the lack of special firmware on the DVD-ROM drive, it wasn't recognized, and, due to a lack of case space, I didn't pursue it further. (Just wondering, pre-G4 tower purchase.) - --Geoff ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 11:09:19 -0800 From: minty <---@---.---> Subject: Re: [OT] re: iBook's performance, adding a G4 DVD-ROM > Your friend probably bought the entry-level iBook, which only comes > with 64MB RAM actually his has 128 already. it was supposed to ship with 256 but the vendor ripped him off - more phone calls... hopefully more ram will alleviate the glitches. - -- ben milstein mintyfresh www.soundmangle.com - www.elmconceptions.com > From: Geoff Spradley <---@---.---> > Reply-To: sc-users@lists.io.com > Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 07:45:50 -0700 > To: sc-users@lists.io.com > Subject: [OT] re: iBook's performance, adding a G4 DVD-ROM > >> [from , Tue, 22 May 2001 16:53:16 -0800]: >> >> a note about the ibook >> good friend of mine just got one - its his first computer so i've been over >> there every day installing his software and teaching him how to use it. >> so after spending some time on the ibook here are my two cents: >> well first of all i didnt see any bundled software other than itunes and >> imovie. like you said, not great selling points for that much money. >> this machine seems to be way below par for apple. it has a g3/500 in it but >> sure don't act that way. maybe due to the slower bus and smaller backside >> cache but it is not a fast computer. ya know how every once in a while you >> will do something in the finder (like select a folder) and it takes a few >> seconds to catch up (finishing some other task first)? this happens to my >> g4s every so often, but kinda rare. well, it happens quite a lot on the >> ibook. enough to be frustrating. > > Your friend probably bought the entry-level iBook, which only comes > with 64MB RAM (paltry when OS9.1 grabs 50MB). He's only $50/$100 > away from enjoying life; he should buy a 128/256MB memory add-on > from a reputable (but non-Apple) merchant. In fact, the Lonely Planet > Guide to Computing on a Shoestring recommends always buying Apple's > cheapest models and adding the beef yourself. > > Speaking of which, has anyone tried adding an Intel-land DVD-ROM > drive to a G3 or G4 tower slaved to the factory CD drive on the ATA > bus? I once tried swapping one for my G3 desktop's internal CD-ROM > drive, but, I'm guessing due to the lack of special firmware on the > DVD-ROM drive, it wasn't recognized, and, due to a lack of case space, > I didn't pursue it further. (Just wondering, pre-G4 tower purchase.) > > --Geoff > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 15:48:22 -0400 From: christian adam hresko <---@---.---> Subject: Obj-C resources i'm guessing there's other people on the list interested in Obj-C since it seems to borrow a lot of ideas from Smalltalk. (which may help you with your SC skills...) and i'm also guessing there's other people interested in writing apps for OS X. apple has a buttload of resources, and one of the best places to start is here: http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/macosx/Cocoa/ObjectiveC/ObjC.pdf you can download the entire Obj-C book in pdf format, but it's almost 200 pages long. (i'm not a big fan of staring at pdf files for hours and hours... bad for the eyes) so you can purchase it for 17 bucks (not bad at all... less than the price of an ink cartridge and 200 sheets of paper) from fatbrain.com: http://www1.fatbrain.com/asp/BookInfo/BookInfo.asp?theisbn=1400500168 fatbrain also carries the Carbon and Cocoa books as well. oh yeah, i take everything back that i said about Obj-C being obsolete. that was a naive statement. the language looks quite interesting, and it will be a nice departure from C++. i'd also recommend 'Expert C Programming, Deep C Secrets' to go along with your C book of choice. (i really need to go over my C syntax again...) eagerly awaiting the Obj-C++ compiler issued by apple. cheers, christian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 16:16:18 -0700 From: tyamasa@haywire.csuhayward.edu Subject: plugin development I'm new to Macintosh software development: What do I need to start developing SC plugins? I can get a CodeWarrior 6, academic version for $99 at school, but does this do the job? (it says you can even develop OSX apps so good deal I guess.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 21:10:09 -0400 From: christian adam hresko <---@---.---> Subject: Re: plugin development tyamasa@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote: > I'm new to Macintosh software development: What do I need to start > developing SC plugins? I can get a CodeWarrior 6, academic version for $99 > at school, but does this do the job? (it says you can even develop OSX apps > so good deal I guess.) i believe the academic version should do the job. and you can't beat the $99 price tag. regardless of whether it can compile OSX apps (the newest version supposedly can, so you're set) CodeWarrior is a great compiler. it takes some time (not very long though) to get used to the IDE but i've found it to be quite intuitive. you can download C/C++ compilers for free from apple's website, but you don't get all the bells and whistles that can be very helpful at times. (especially for debugging... although relying on the debugger isn't necessarily the best tactic) so... yes, get it. it's well worth the investment. cheers, christian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 May 2001 23:38:33 EDT From: JoJoBuBu@aol.com Subject: Re: plugin development In a message dated 5/23/01 9:15:26 PM, godpup@ix.netcom.com writes: << tyamasa@haywire.csuhayward.edu wrote: > I'm new to Macintosh software development: What do I need to start > developing SC plugins? I can get a CodeWarrior 6, academic version for $99 > at school, but does this do the job? (it says you can even develop OSX apps > so good deal I guess.) i believe the academic version should do the job. and you can't beat the $99 price tag. regardless of whether it can compile OSX apps (the newest version supposedly can, so you're set) CodeWarrior is a great compiler. it takes some time (not very long though) to get used to the IDE but i've found it to be quite intuitive. you can download C/C++ compilers for free from apple's website, but you don't get all the bells and whistles that can be very helpful at times. (especially for debugging... although relying on the debugger isn't necessarily the best tactic) so... yes, get it. it's well worth the investment. cheers, christian >> Probably a dumb question but I've been considering getting this too, but I have mostly used MSVC++ on PC which of course uses MFC. I hear that with codewarrior porting is easy because the IDE is the same for both mac and PC(thats what the company told me in an email) ... Is this true? So does this make porting between the two systems quite a bit simpler, or not? Andy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 13:52:24 -0800 From: minty <---@---.---> Subject: wamibox hi maybe i'm just slow on the uptake (no surprise there) but i just heard about this wamibox thing: http://egosys.net/eng/egosys.html anyone actually used one? know anyone who has one? curious.... ben - -- ben milstein mintyfresh www.soundmangle.com - www.elmconceptions.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:14:47 -0700 (PDT) From: michael whyte <---@---.---> Subject: Re: wamibox my friend has one, and he's a bit preturbed with it because it only uses soundfonts. other than that it sounds decent, and i haven't heard anything about bogging down his cpu. - -m - --- minty wrote: > hi > maybe i'm just slow on the uptake (no surprise there) but i just heard about > this wamibox thing: > http://egosys.net/eng/egosys.html > anyone actually used one? know anyone who has one? > curious.... > ben > -- > ben milstein > mintyfresh > www.soundmangle.com - www.elmconceptions.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 17:32:19 -0700 From: cramakrishnan@acm.org Subject: Re: wamibox michael whyte writes: > my friend has one, and he's a bit preturbed with it because it only uses soun >dfonts. > other than that it sounds decent, and i haven't heard anything about bogging >down his cpu. Is he using it on a PC or a Mac? I don't see any mention of Mac support. - - sekhar - -- C. Ramakrishnan cramakrishnan@acm.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:36:44 -0400 From: jason mcmahon <---@---.---> Subject: Re: wamibox I had a WamiBox.....worst thing I ever bought. I was so dissatisfied with it's performance, I sold it a month after I purchased it for half of what I bought it. Note: I used it on a PC laptop....I didn't own a Mac at the time. The driver support and real time performance was terrible, the 'built-in' sampler/synthesizer was practically useless, and the promises made by the company were disappointing. //bsom At 01:52 PM 5/24/01 -0800, you wrote: >hi >maybe i'm just slow on the uptake (no surprise there) but i just heard about >this wamibox thing: >http://egosys.net/eng/egosys.html >anyone actually used one? know anyone who has one? >curious.... >ben >-- > ben milstein > mintyfresh > www.soundmangle.com - www.elmconceptions.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:52:04 -0400 From: jason mcmahon <---@---.---> Subject: Re: wamibox Uhh, I'm retarded. It doesn't matter if I had a Mac laptop then or not. There are no Mac drivers! :-) //bsom At 09:36 PM 5/24/01 -0400, you wrote: >I had a WamiBox.....worst thing I ever bought. I was so dissatisfied with >it's performance, I sold it a month after I purchased it for half of what >I bought it. Note: I used it on a PC laptop....I didn't own a Mac at the >time. The driver support and real time performance was terrible, the >'built-in' sampler/synthesizer was practically useless, and the promises >made by the company were disappointing. > >//bsom ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 21:57:27 -0400 From: Nick Phillips <---@---.---> Subject: Re: wamibox not exactly what you're asking for, but i bought an egosys u2a as an attempt to add usb audio i/o to my powerbook. it worked ok with most apps using the mac soundmanager, including reaktor, max/msp, supercollider, but it consistently crashed logic audio. since i'm heavily reliant on logic i had to return it. apparently the problem was with cycling 74 pluggo? and i must add i was similarly disappointed with their driver support - their asio driver was pretty buggy, and i didn't get much help from the egosys end of things. but it was a nice piece of machinery otherwise, latency around 10-14 ms for most apps... nick > > I had a WamiBox.....worst thing I ever bought. I was so dissatisfied with > it's performance, I sold it a month after I purchased it for half of what I > bought it. Note: I used it on a PC laptop....I didn't own a Mac at the > time. The driver support and real time performance was terrible, the > 'built-in' sampler/synthesizer was practically useless, and the promises > made by the company were disappointing. > > //bsom > hi > maybe i'm just slow on the uptake (no surprise there) but i just heard about > this wamibox thing: > http://egosys.net/eng/egosys.html > anyone actually used one? know anyone who has one? > curious.... > ben - -- nick phillips 241 highland park drive athens, ga 30605 706.543.6902 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 May 2001 18:59:14 -0700 (PDT) From: michael whyte <---@---.---> Subject: Re: wamibox yep, as far as i know it's pc only. i wonder if their usb audio interface is any better?.... - -m - --- cramakrishnan@acm.org wrote: > michael whyte writes: > > my friend has one, and he's a bit preturbed with it because it only uses soun > >dfonts. > > other than that it sounds decent, and i haven't heard anything about bogging > >down his cpu. > > Is he using it on a PC or a Mac? I don't see any mention of Mac > support. > > - sekhar > > -- > C. Ramakrishnan cramakrishnan@acm.org __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Auctions - buy the things you want at great prices http://auctions.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:47:03 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~tn800/sc/socks.html - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 10:14:02 -0800 From: minty <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. i want some. how do i get my very own sc socks? - -- ben milstein mintyfresh www.soundmangle.com - www.elmconceptions.com > From: James McCartney <---@---.---> > Reply-To: sc-users@lists.io.com > Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 08:47:03 -0500 > To: sc-users > Subject: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. > > > http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~tn800/sc/socks.html > > > --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com > SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 12:21:17 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. on 5/25/01 1:14 PM, minty at ben@soundmangle.com wrote: > i want some. how do i get my very own sc socks? Learn to read japanese? - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 26 May 2001 02:50:11 +0900 From: Takeko KAWAMURA <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. Hello,this is Takeko Kawamura(tn8). I'm a Japanese girl and study SuperCollider Programing Language on my own in Japan. In Japan,there is no imformations on SuperCollider that is written in Japanese. As a result,I started publishing an email magazine for SC. SC Socks is custom orderd. I like SC and to make my costume! http://www.iamas.ac.jp/~tn800/cosplay/ If you want your SC Socks,email me. and learn Japanese and teach me SC in Japanese!!! Thanks. TakekoKawamura tn800@iamas.ac.jp On 01.5.25 12:21 PM,James McCartney wrote： >on 5/25/01 1:14 PM, minty at ben@soundmangle.com wrote: > >> i want some. how do i get my very own sc socks? > >Learn to read japanese? > > >--- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com >SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. > ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 20:01:33 +0200 From: Roland Pfrengle <---@---.---> Subject: SC-install on a second disk Hi PB 500/Pismo + SC 2.2.10, OS 9.1+ Motu 828: I installed SC on a external Firewire disk. This is my new boot volume. I cant' authorize SC for the new disk. SC runs only, if the internal disk with the original SC is running. If I switch it off (because of noise), starting SC comes: 'This copy of SC has not been authorized.' After pushing 'Authorize' comes : 'Error while verifing your authorization. Specified volume doesn't exist.' 'Result code: -35'. Roland ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 13:2:50 -0500 From: "rk" <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. > I like SC and to make my costume! > http://www.iamas.ac.jp/‾tn800/cosplay/ ! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:25:44 -0400 From: andrei@world.std.com Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. rk wrote: > > I like SC and to make my costume! > > http://www.iamas.ac.jp/‾tn800/cosplay/ > > ! Too good to be true ? :-) Sorry. Andrei ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:34:18 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SC-install on a second disk on 5/25/01 1:01 PM, Roland Pfrengle at roland.p@snafu.de wrote: > If I switch it off (because of noise), How are you switching off your internal drive? I doubt PACE supports that. - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 14:36:38 -0500 From: James McCartney <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. on 5/25/01 12:50 PM, Takeko KAWAMURA at tn800@iamas.ac.jp wrote: > As a result,I started publishing an email magazine for SC. > > SC Socks is custom orderd. > I like SC and to make my costume! > http://www.iamas.ac.jp/‾tn800/cosplay/ Wow that's pretty cutting-edge. I guess if it is making the kogal/socks scene in Japan, then SC is a success.. Do the socks come in a loose variety? - --- james mccartney james@audiosynth.com SuperCollider - a real time synthesis programming language for the PowerMac. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 25 May 2001 16:56:40 -0400 From: christian adam hresko <---@---.---> Subject: Re: SuperCollider sucks, I mean socks. Takeko KAWAMURA wrote: > Hello,this is Takeko Kawamura(tn8). > > I'm a Japanese girl and study SuperCollider Programing Language on my own > in Japan. > In Japan,there is no imformations on SuperCollider that is written in > Japanese. > As a result,I started publishing an email magazine for SC. > > SC Socks is custom orderd. > I like SC and to make my costume! > http://www.iamas.ac.jp/‾tn800/cosplay/ > > If you want your SC Socks,email me. > and learn Japanese and teach me SC in Japanese!!! > > Thanks. > > TakekoKawamura > tn800@iamas.ac.jp cool deal. i'll take a pair of socks, and i'll take one japenese girl. (you don't by any chance also dress up in girlscout uniforms???) so how much would that be? cheers, christian ------------------------------ End of sc-users-digest V1 #295 ******************************